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****NOTE: This article is a work
in progress. It will be updated
progressively due to time constraints in my life.
I felt compelled to write this article by someone who told me he was a
part of the Zeitgeist movement. I know there are a lot of "Zeitgeist
Debunked" films and articles out there, by I had to write this out on
my own. The reason being that not a lot of these resources discuss the
source documents used by Zeitgeist and their analysis of ancient
Egyptian texts.
Its not so much that Zeitgeist attacks Biblical scriptures, which they
do, but what's more, the film buys into misrepresentations and
misquoting of even Egyptian, Greek, Roman and Eastern texts.
This
misrepresentation represents a body of work started since the time of
Christ and this particular vein of logic emanating from the 19th
century. Zeitgeist has regurgitated
and amplified much of these textual
misrepresentations and stuffed them into a visually pleasing
package.
It is extremely important to establish one thing before you begin to
read this analysis. Catholicism is not Christianity, but its own
religion. The basis for this statement is in the scriptures themselves
and the vatican's clear perversion of even the original greek texts
when they created the sinaticus and vaticanus. Many of Zeitgeists
references to Christianity are actually references to catholic doctrine
and not the Bible. If you want some short articles discussing the
differences between Christians and catholics please read:
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Zeitgeist Says:
...The Sun was looked up to
as the grand omnipotent nucleus, whose
all-vivifying power is the vital and sole source of animative and
vegetative existence upon the globe—the glorious foundation out of
which springs all that man ever has, or ever can call good; and as
such, the only proper object of the homage and adoration of mankind: hence the Sun, as we are
informed by Pausanias, was worshipped at
Eleusis under the name of "The Saviour."
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There are these
square-shaped statues of other gods inside the
enclosure: Hermes the Leader, Apollo, Athene, Poseidon, the Saviour
Sun, and Herakles.
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 62; The Christian Mythology Unveiled by Logan
Mitchell; Private printing, 1842?
Sourced To:
Alludes to Pausanias, but not
directly sourced to a particular book or
page. However, the second quote is sourced as Page 361 [373]; Pausanias
Description of Greece Volume II:
The statues of Asclepius
and Dionysus are of stone, but there is a
statue of Zeus the Saviour in the market-place made of bronze.
Validity:
Pausanias refers to Zeus the Saviour
but does not indicate that that
inscription was written on the statue, merely, that is what he
called him. Additionally, even if he had indicated so, there is no sourcing and therefore no possible dating of his claims. In
fact, Pausanias' own lifetime is unknown and just
generally dated as 2nd century AD.
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Zeitgeist Says:
The Egyptian goddess who
was equally "the Great Virgin" (hwnt) and "Mother of the God" was the
object of the very same praise bestowed upon her successor [Mary,
Virgin Mother of Jesus].
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 273; Isis in the Ancient
World by Reginald Eldred Witt 1997
Sourced To:
Of all the deities of
Hellenism, Isis of the Myriad Names was probably
the greatest. She was identified with practically every goddess and
deified woman of the known world; she was the one reality which they
all imperfectly shadowed forth. She was Lady of All, All-seeing and
All-powerful, Queen of the Inhabited World; she was Star of the Sea,
Diadem of Life, Lawgiver and Saviour; she was Grace and Beauty, Fortune
and Abundance, Truth, Wisdom, and Love.
Page 360 [323 in the edition provided]; Hellenistic
Civilisation by W.W. Tarn 1952
Ultimately sourced to:
The Pyramid Texts - Temple of Seti I at Abydos
682c. N. is the
great mistress (or, damsel).
728a. The great
damsel who lives in Heliopolis has given her arm to thee,
2002a. The great
damsel who lives in Heliopolis has given her arm to thee.
Validity:
Clearly a 'misquote' on the part of Witt. In fact, Tarn discusses this
very issue in this same book:
In that strength Isis swept
the
Mediterranean. When finally Christianity triumphed, and Zeus and
Apollo, Sarapis and the star-gods, were hurled from their seats, Isis
alone in some sense survived the universal fall; the cult of the Virgin
had been introduced before the Serapeum was sacked, and Isis' devotees
passed quietly over to the worship of another Mother—how quietly
sometimes may be seen from this, that various instances are said to be
known of her statues afterwards serving as images of the Madonna.
Page 88; Hellenistic
Civilisation by W.W. Tarn 3rd Edition
Even Tarn recognized that the virgin mother Mary was adopted in
replacement of Isis as a greater idol (namely in the catholic church)
because of the virgin birth. This adaptation was occult in nature and
holds no bearings on true Christianity.
The Pyramid Texts refer
to a mistress and a damsel but do not
identify her as Isis, nor is the reference put into a time
period or
circumstance in relation to either Horus or Osiris. Isis was clearly
married to Osiris before conceiving Horus:
The next two years were
years of great joy to the exiled King
and
Queen. A little hut of branches and reeds made their home ; the
river
provided wealth of fish and wildfowl for food ; and a plot of ground
beyond the trees, on which were still a few stalks of corn, was tilled
by Osiris to yield a prolific
harvest. And when the baby Horus was
born, their cup of happiness was full to overflowing.
The Temple of Seti does describe a maiden, but, again, the plate does
not
describe Isis being pregnant or giving birth, nor is Horus present,
indicating that this is a description before Horus was even born. At
best, as evidence, this would be an assumption based on an assumption
and not worthy to be considered a fact.
Actual Story:
Horus
Thy sister Isis cometh to
thee rejoicing in her love for thee. [FN#30] Thou hast
union with her, thy seed entereth her. She conceiveth in the form
of the star Septet (Sothis).
Horus-Sept issueth from thee in the
form of Horus, dweller in the star Septet. Thou
makest a spirit to be in him in his name 'Spirit
dwelling in the god Tchentru.' He avengeth thee in his name of
'Horus, the son who avenged his father.'
Hail, Osiris, Keb hath
brought to thee Horus, he hath avenged thee, he hath brought to
thee
the hearts of the gods, Horus hath given thee his Eye, thou hast taken
possession of the Urert Crown thereby at the head of the gods.
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After these things Horus, son of Ra,
and Horus, son of Isis, each took
the form of a mighty man, with the face and body of a hawk, and each
wore the Red and White Crowns, and each carried a spear and chain.
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The hymn concludes with a
reference to the accession of Horus,
son of Isis, the flesh and bone of
Osiris.
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"I am Isis, who conceived a
child by her husband, and she became heavy
with Horus, the divine [child]. I gave
birth to Horus, the son of
Osiris, in a nest of papyrus plants.[FN#229]
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Osiris was here crowned
lord of the universe, and here his
son Horus
assumed the throne of his father left vacant by the death of Osiris.
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Isis, the companion and
inspiration of the dead god, his sister
Nephthys, Thot and Anubis, who shared his thoughts, Horus, his beloved
son, who had inherited his wisdom, found in the teachings of
Osiris
himself, the secret which would recall him to a new life and a better
one—that would make him invulnerable to a second death.
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I am Yesterday. I know the
Morning. Let him explain it. Yesterday is
Osiris, the Morning the Sun; the day on which are strangled the
deriders of the Universal Lord, when his
son Horus has been invested;
or the day is the victory of his arms, when the chest of Osiris has
been confronted by his father the Sun.
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[The one] ordering his name
to rule the Gods is Horus the son of
Osiris, who has made himself a ruler in the place of his father
Osiris.
Jesus
[ Mat 1:23] Behold, a
virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall
call his name Emmanuel, which
being interpreted is, God with us.
Then Joseph being raised from
sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him
his wife:
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he
called his name Jesus.
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[ Luk 1:27] To a
virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Hence, in discussing these
myths we are not dealing with "real people"
who have body parts.
Page 17; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Not sourced.
Validity:
This opinion of history rings true for the Egyptian tales of false
deities. Grouping Jesus Christ into this domain of personifications of
the sun, as you will see, is invalid and baseless.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Horus was born of a star in
the east (Sirius)
Zeitgeist Source:
Osiris‘s coming was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars
Mintaka, Anilam, and Alnitak in the belt of Orion, which point directly
to Osiris‘s star in the east, Sirius (Sothis), significator of his
birth.
Sourced To:
I ain't buying this book!
Validity:
Irrelevant. Like the 'three' wise men, the star in the east is another
Biblical misconception. Read the passage:
[ Mat 2:1-12] Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem
of Judaea in the days
of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to
Jerusalem,
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his
star in the east, and are come to worship him.
In
Strong's G1537 - ek
1) out of, from, by, away from
If you read the passage correctly it states that the wise men came from
the east. Its an assumption that they traveled east only because the
prophecy foretold that he would be born in Bethlehem. But, this is not
true because if you look at the word 'in' it essentially means 'out of'
or 'from.' If we use this in the passage becomes clear:
[ Mat 2:2]
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his
star from the east, and are come to worship
him.
Thus, this was a star most likely in the western sky, not the eastern,
since it
would not make sense for the wise men to be lead east by the star, even
though Christ was West of them. To back this point up is:
[ Mat 2:9] When they had heard the king, they
departed; and, lo, the star,
which they saw in the east,
went before
them, till it came and stood over
where the young child was.
This passage demonstrates that they were, in some way, following the
star to Christ's birthplace. But ultimately we do not know where this
star is located since Bethlehem was said to be his birthplace in
prophecy.
Actual Story:
Horus may have indeed had a star in the east, Sirius, which is not
surprising considering Sirius is the dog star, or the star of satan,
which is the only visible star in the morning as the sun rises.
[ Isa 14:12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O
Lucifer, son of the
morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations!
Strong's H1966 - heylel
Lucifer = " light-bearer"
1) shining one, morning star,
Lucifer
a) of the king of Babylon and Satan
(fig.)
2) (TWOT) 'Helel' describing the king of Babylon
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Zeitgeist Says:
At the age of 30 he was
baptized by a figure known as Anup and thus
began his ministry.
Zeitgeist Source:
As John the Baptist is the
founder of the Christ in baptism, so Anup
was the christifier of the mortal Horus, he on whom the holy ghost
descended as a bird when the Osiris made his transformation in the
marriage mystery of Tat tu (Rit., ch. 17).
Sourced To:
The Osiris goes purified in
the place of birth, he has been steeped in
resin in the Place of Preservation. Let him explain it. The Gods,
Guardians, Judges, are the Apes, Isis and Nephthys. Things of a nature
hateful to the Gods are trick and craft. The Clean Crosser over the
place of birth is Anup [Anubis]. He is behind the bier which holds the
bowels of Osiris. He who has been steeped in resin in the place of Pre-
{179} servation is Osiris; or, it is the Heaven and Earth; or, it is
Shu the conqueror of the world in Suten-khen [Bubastis]. The resin,
tahn, is the Eye of Horus; the Place of Preparation is the place of
reuniting of Osiris.
Validity:
Luckily, Samuel Birch, who translated the Book of the Dead, left us
some notes on this particular passage.
The "dress" (tahn), may also be the
"resin" or ''crystal," and the
"clay" (baa), a "brass" or "metal" instrument, and so again in p. 208.
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The mystical amulet mentioned as "felspar," in p. 257, is of tahn,
supposed to be either "crystal" or a
{332} "resin."
Actual Story:
Despite the obvious fact that resin is not a liquid, but some kind of
jewel or amulet, the book of the dead further states:
Back, Crocodile of the
West, living off those never at rest! What thou
hatest is in my belly. I have eaten
the limbs of Osiris. I am Set.
Thus the ritual of putting Osiris back together was a ritual of
cleansing from the crocodile Set,
the evil god, using a magic amulet,
which was the eye of Horus. Whereas the point of baptism in
Christianity, even to Christ, is:
[ Mat 3:11] I indeed baptize you with water unto
repentance: but he that
cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to
bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
Baptism is an act of cleansing with water for repentance, not with a
jewel for resurrection.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Concerning the sun god‘s
nightly journey back to life, Egyptologist Dr.
Jacobus Van Dijk of the University of Groningen says that "according to
the Pyramid Texts, the sun god purifies himself in the morning in the
Lake of the Field of Rushes." Thus, the morning sun—or Horus—was said
to pass through the purifying or baptismal waters to become reborn,
revivified or resurrected.
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 247; Christ in Egypt by Acharya S
aka D.M. Murdock
Sourced To:
The Pyramid Texts:
206a. "Thou
hast equipped thyself like Horus,
the youthful,
206b. nor
is there anything lacking in thee, nor anything ceases with thee,
206c. for
behold thou art more glorious, more powerful than the northern gods and
their spirits.
207a. Thou puttest away thine
uncleanness for Atum in Heliopolis, thou ascendest
with him;
207b. thou
judgest distress in the underworld,. thou standest above the places of
the abyss;
207c. thou
art (king) with thy father Atum, thou art high with thy father Atum;
207d. thou
appearest with thy father Atum, distress disappears.
207e. The
midwife of Heliopolis (holds) thy head.
208a. Thou
ascendest, thou openest thy way through the bones of Shu;
208b. thou
envelopest thyself in the embrace of thy mother Nut;
208c. thou
purifiest thyself in the horizon, thou puttest away thine impurity in
the lakes of Shu.
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371c. Isis
nurses him, Nephthys suckles him,
372a. Horus
takes him by his fingers (to his side),
372b. he
purifies N. in the lake of the jackal,
372c. he
makes, the ka of N. clean in the lake of the Dȝ.t.
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456d. Thou
causest the ka of N. to
approach his side,
456e. like
as thy Wig (deified) approaches thee.
457a. Purify N., make N.
bright
457b. in
this thy jackal-lake, O jackal, where thou purifiest the gods.
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1083a. I
have purified myself in the lakes of the dancers(?) singers(?) or,
panegyrists(?),
1083b. I
have cleansed myself in the lakes of the jackal.
1083c.
Thorn-bush, remove thyself from my way,
1084a. that
I may take the south side of the Marsh of Reeds.
1084b. The
m3'-canal is opened, the Winding Watercourse is inundated.
1084c. The
two reed-floats of heaven are placed for Horus,
1084d. that
he may ferry over to Rē‘, to the horizon.
…
1139c. for N. is pure (a
priest), the son of a pure one (a priest).
1140a. N.
is purified with these four nmś.t-jars,
1140b. filled at the divine-lake
in Ntr.w;
…
1152a. He
crosses the sky like Swnt;
1152b. the
third (with him) is Sothis of the pure places,
1152c. for he purifies himself in the
lakes of the Dwȝ.t.
…
1164a. O,
raise thyself up, N.;
1164b. receive
these thy four nmś.wt-jars and ‘ȝb.wt-jars;
1164c. purify thyself in the Lake
of the jackal; purify thyself by incense in
the Lake of the Dȝ.t;
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1245a. N.
descends in the lake of Kns.t;
1245b. N.
purifies himself in the Marsh of Reeds;
1245c. N.
is purified by the Followers of Horus,
…
1247a. To
say: N. has purified himself in the
Lake of Reeds,
1247b. wherein Rē‘ was purified.
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1530a. N.
ascended on the eastern side of the sky;
1530b. he
descends as a green bird;
1530c. he
descends ---- lord of the Dȝ.t-lakes.
1530d. N.
is purified in the lakes of the śmn-goose.
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1704a. The
Lake of Reeds is full; the Winding Watercourse is inundated;
1704b. the
mn‘-canal of N. is open,
1704c.
whereby he may
ferry over to the horizon, to the place where the gods will be born,
1704d. and
where thou
wilt be born with them.
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1916a (Nt. 738).
O N., thou hast collected thy
bones; thou hast collected thy limbs;
1916b (Nt.
738-739). Thou hast assigned (left in legacy) thy teeth; thou
hast taken thy heart to thy body;
1917 (Nt. 739).
thou hast shaken the dust (lit. earth) from thy flesh;
1918 (N. 719 + 30).
thou hast received this
thy purification, these thy four ’ȝb.t-jars.
1919a (Nt. 739).
Draw fully from the divine lake, the lake in which [they] purify thee,
as a god.
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1978b. Osiris speaks to Horus:
1978c.
After he had exterminated the evil [which was in N. on] his fourth day,
1978d.
after he had annulled that which he did against him on his eighth [day].
1979a.
[Thou hast come forth] from the lake
of life; [thou art] purified
[in
the lake of] ḳbḥ.w,
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1987a. To
say: O N., thou art the son of
a Great One;
1987b. thou
art purified in the lake, Dȝ.ti;
1987c. thou
takest thy throne in the Marsh of Reeds.
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2169a. To
say: O N., the mouth of the
earth opens for thee; Geb speaks to thee:
2169b.
"Thou art great like a king; thou art mighty like Rē‘.
2170a. Thou
purifiest thyself in the lake of the jackal; thou cleansest thyself in
the lake of the Dȝt."
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N. = Pepi II (Neferkarē‘)...
Pepi II, whom
Sethe records as N. (Neferkarē‘)...
Pepi II of the
Sixth Dynasty
Validity:
Simply put, when Pepi II became a god he was put through a ritual of
his
own. Part of this ritual is washing in the lake of Dȝt, in Ntr.w,
of the jackal and Shu.
The reason is found in 457b (as well as 1979a, 1919a, 1247a-b):
in this thy jackal-lake, O
jackal, where thou purifiest the gods.
The death ritual of purification was believed to transform the Pharaoh into a god,
like Re [Ra] or Horus.
It is first important to point out that washing oneself for
purification and cleanliness is an experience common to everyone in
history (at least most people take a bath every once and a while).
Thus, we are discussing here not what that process was, but what the intentions of that process
are.
Egyptian texts here cite this
purification as a pathway to godhood
[1919a.]. This is radically different than
the Biblical reason for baptism, which is the remission of sins.
It is clear that this process is seen as the birth of a man into a god:
1704a. The
Lake of Reeds is full; the Winding Watercourse is inundated;
1704b. the
mn‘-canal of N. is open,
1704c.
whereby he may ferry over to the horizon, to the place where the gods
will be born,
1704d. and
where thou wilt be born with them.
It is also important to note that this purification process for
Egyptians is for those of high esteem only, and not the common man,
which is a direct contrast to Christianity.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Horus was known by many
gestural names such as... The Lamb of God, and
many others
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 471; The Natural Genesis, II by Gerald Massey. London:
Williams and Norgate, 1883
Sourced To:
Athanasius Kircher's Planisphere Oedipi Aegyptiaci - 2; Page 160 [83], extracted from the Zodiac at
Dendera 1st century BC.
Validity:
The oldest 12 sign zodiac is dated at
500BC. This recreated zodiac in
no way implicated Horus as
being
'The Lamb of
God.' The assertion that Horus was ever called 'God's anointed
son' is
actually a composition and extraction of what the text actually
describes. I am sure that the fact that Athanasius was a Jesuit Priest
has nothing to do with it.
Actual Story:
Then said Thoth to Ra,
"Horus shall be called 'Winged Disk,
Great God, Smiter of the enemies
in the town of Heben' from this day forward, and
he shall be called 'He who standeth on
the back' and 'prophet of this
god,' from this day forward."
Homage to thee, Osiris, Lord of
eternity, King of the gods,
whose names
are manifold, whose transformations are sublime, whose form is hidden
in the temples whose Ka is holy, the Governor of Tetut, [FN#119] the
mighty one of possessions (?)in the shrine, [FN#120] the Lord of
praises [FN#121]
in the name of Anetch, [FN#122] President of the
tchefa food in Anu, [FN#123]
Lord who art commemorated
in [the town of]
Maati, [FN#124]
the mysterious (or,
hidden) Soul, the Lord of
Qerret, [FN#125]
the sublime one in White Wall,
[FN#126]Soul of Ra [and]
his very body, who hast thy dwelling in Henensu, [FN#127] the beneficent
one, who art praised in Nart, [FN#128]who makest to rise up thy Soul, Lord of the Great House
in the city [FN#129] of the Eight Gods, [FN#130]
[who inspirest] great terror in
Shashetep, [FN#131]
Lord of
eternity, Governor of Abtu
(Abydos).
The Horus: "Mighty Bull, the
form(?) of risings [FN#150],
stablished in
sovereignty like Tem." The Golden
Horus: "Mighty one of
strength[FN#151],
destroyer of the Nine
Nations of the Bow." [FN#152]
King of the South and North:
"The Lord of the Two Lands, User-Maat-Ra-
setep-en-Ra Son of Ra: Of his
body, Ra-meses-meri-Amen,
of Amen-Ra; [FN#153] the Lord of the thrones of the Two Lands,
and of the
Company of the Gods, the Lords
of Thebes, the beloved one.
The beneficent god, the son of Amen, born of Mut, begotten of Herukhuti,
the glorious offspring of Neb-tchert,
[FN#154] begetting [as] the Bull
of his Mother, [FN#155]
king of Egypt, Governor of the deserts, the Sovereign who hath taken
possession of the Nine Nations of the Bow;
[who] on coming forth from the womb ordained mighty things, who gave
commands whilst he was in the egg, the
Bull, stable of heart, who hath
sent forth his seed; the king
who is a bull, [and] a god who
cometh
forth on the day of battle like Menthu, [FN#156] the mighty one of
strength like the son of Nut." [FN#157].
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Zeitgeist Says:
Horus was known by many
gestural names such as The Truth, The Light,
God’s Anointed Son... and many others
Zeitgeist Source:
The very first of the chief
epithets applied to Horus in this his third
great office has a startlingly Christian sound; it is the "Sole
begotten Son of the Father" to which, in other texts, is added "Horus
the Holy Child," the "Beloved
son of his father." The Lord of Life, the
Giver of Life, both very usual epithets on the funeral scarabei, the
''Justifier of the Righteous,"
the "Eternal King" and the "Word of the
Father Osiris."
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Writing as I do now, in
permanent exile from London, and myself
at the
very door of death, it is peculiarly disheartening, after thirty
years
of orthodoxy, to be in doubt whether
a paper written in defence of Christian
doctrine, has not in itself afforded a handle to
infidel
misarguments.
Of course, as an Egyptologist, I cannot endure
a
speaker's felicitous simile of a pyramid of theory being raised upon a
slender inverted apex of fact, but I do nevertheless very sensibly feel
the importance of the fears urged by Canon Titcomb, that improper
inferences may be drawn from certain statements in the myth of Horus,
so, rather than open a door for heresies which I detest, I would prefer
to consider that I have overstated my own positions, and perhaps have
read too much of a later Christianity into the Horus myth than
the
words themselves would have strictly warranted. I do not say that I
have done so, but my confidence in certain deductions is so far
shaken
that I should not be surprised if it
were proved that I have thus
misinterpreted my texts; albeit I
must with equal positiveness assert
that nothing in the appendices themselves has shown this to have been
the case.
Sourced To:
The Funeral Ritual or Book of the Dead; Translated
by Samuel Birch, Esq.
"Sole begotten Son of the Father"
I know the Great God who is
in it [the West]. Let him explain it. He is
Osiris, or Adorer of the Sun
is his name, Soul of the Sun
is his name. Begotten by himself is
his
name.
"Horus the Holy Child"
Not present.
"Beloved son of his father"
he is the son beloved of
his father, he has come from the mummy, a prepared Spirit. Oh
Gods and Goddesses give way!
The Lord of Life
The Osiris makes way, he
goes, he glorifies Osiris, the Lord
of Life.
Giver of Life
To the Giver of Life to her Skin
[Mystical Cow].
''Justifier of the Righteous"
I am Thoth, justifier of the words of Horus
against his enemies, the
day of weighing words in the great abode in An [Heliopolis].
"Eternal King"
An adoration made to
Osiris, the Dweller of the West, Great God, Lord
of Abydos, Eternal King, Everlasting Lord, Great God in the plain are
still from [the deceased scribe].
"Word of the Father Osiris"
The Osiris is born like a word.
26. Oh Supplier of Words,
coming out of the Great place! I have not burnt my mouth.
30. Oh Stripper of Words,
coming out of Unas! I have not made delays, or dawdled.
The Osiris his eye reposes, his legs sit in the great boat of Khepra,
he is made; his words are made.
Validity:
Perhaps being as old and sick as he was, Cooper was analyzing The Book
of the Dead from memory. His assertions and references are not
present
and what titles of Horus and Osiris are present, do not include any
similitude to any title given the Jesus Christ. Christ, in fact,
proclaimed that he was not a Lord over or giver of life, but that he was the life.
[ John 14:6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Ointment, ointment, where
should you be? You on Horus‘s forehead, where should you be? You
were on Horus‘s forehead...
Zeitgeist Source:
Pyramid text W
51/PT 77:52a-b
Sourced To:
50a. Pouring a libation of oil.
50b. Osiris
N., I fill thine eye for thee with
ointment. To say four times. Śt-ḥb-oil.
50c. Osiris
N., take to thyself that with which a liquid offering is made. Ḥknw-oil.
51a. Osiris
N., take to thyself the eye of Horus, on account of which he was
punished. Śft-oil.
51b. Osiris
N., take to thyself the eye of Horus, which is united with him. Nhnm-oil.
51c.
Osiris, N., take to thyself the eye of Horus, with which he brought and
carried the gods. Twȝ.t-oil.
52a. Oil, Oil, arise, open thou; (thou) who art on the brow of Horus, arise,
open thou.
52b. Thou
who art on the brow of Horus, put thyself on the brow of this N.
Validity:
This passage has been misquoted and taken out of context [52a.].
The 'Oil,'
capital 'o,'
in 52a is actually a person,
not oil itself mentioned in
50a. The gods are noted as, Śt-ḥb-oil,
Ḥknw-oil, Śft-oil, Nhnm-oil and
Twȝ.t-oil. The sentence also
refers to Horus as 'thou,' a personage,
not oil as an ointment. The oil is a libation [50a], not
the ointment itself, but that
which with the offering to the gods
is made [50c.]. I believe that this
process is a reference to the marks above and below the eye of Horus,
which is so
frequently cited. Not a physical mark, but a spiritual mark of godhood.
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Zeitgeist Says:
*Note: The guidebook makes
the same claim for Attis, Dionysus and Mithra.
Zeitgeist Source:
Irrelevant
Validity:
The celebration of December 25th as
Jesus' birthday is contrary to
Biblical scriptures. There are a lot of great studies online
about
Christ's real birth date, such as this one. But the short of it is that Christ could only have
been born in September or October, based on the
details given by the Gospel of Luke.
The December 25th conclusion has been drawn from
catholic doctrine.
There is thus no correlation between Christ and
the winter solstice which conveniently also removes the astrological
conclusions drawn by the film concerning the crucifixion of the sun.
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Zeitgeist Says:
The issue at hand is not a
man being thrown to the ground and nailed to
a cross, as Jesus is depicted to have been, but the portrayal of gods
and goddesses in “cruciform,” whereby the divine figure appears with
arms outstretched in a symbolic context. The word "crucify" comes from
the Latin crucifigere, composed of cruci/crux and affigere/figere,
meaning "cross" and "to fix/affix," respectively. Thus, it does not
necessarily mean to throw a living person to the ground and nail him or
her to a cross, but could signify any image affixed to a cross-shape or
in cruciform.
Zeitgeist Source:
Not sourced.
Validity:
These definitions have been misrepresented by Zeitgeist.
crucify
c.1300, from O.Fr. crucifer (12c., Mod.Fr. crucifier), from V.L.
* crucificare, from L.L. crucifigere " to fasten to a cross," from cruci,
dat. of L. crux " cross" (see cross) + figere
"fasten" (see fix). An
ancient mode of capital punishment considered especially ignominious by
the Romans. Figurative sense of "to torment" is 1620s.
fix (v.)
Sense of " fasten, attach" is c. 1400; that of "settle, assign" is
pre-1500 and evolved into "adjust, arrange" (1660s), then "repair"
(1737). Sense of "tamper with" (a fight, a jury, etc.) is 1790. As
euphemism for "castrate a pet" it dates from 1930. Related: Fixed;
fixedly (1590s); fixing.
Clearly to be crucified is to be attached wood,
the common way being
the nailing and tying of the hands.
In fact. the word cruciform
means:
cruciform
1660s, from Mod.L. cruciformis, from L. crux (gen. crucis) " stake, cross" (see cross) + forma "form" (see form).
stake (v.)
early 14c., " to mark (land) with stakes,"
from stake (n.). Hence, to
stake a claim (1857). Meaning "to risk, wager" is attested from 1520s,
probably from notion of "post on which a gambling wager was placed,"
though Weekley suggests "there is a tinge of the burning or baiting
metaphor" in this usage. Noun meaning "that which is placed at hazard"
is recorded from 1530s. Plural stakes, as in horse racing, first
recorded 1690s (cf. sweepstakes). To have a stake in is recorded from
1784. Meaning "to maintain surveilance" (usually stake out) is first
recorded 1942, Amer.Eng. colloquial, probably form earlier sense of
"mark off territory."
So cruciform is to stake, that is to drive a pointed
stick or post into
the ground. Symbolically, this does not entail a person on a
cross, but
rather the wood of a cross.
Actual Story:
[ Gal 3:13] Christ
hath redeemed us from the
curse of the law, being made a curse
for us:
for it is written, Cursed [is] every one
that hangeth on a tree:
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[ Mar 15:15] And [so] Pilate, willing to content the
people, released
Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged [him], to
be crucified.
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[ Mar 15:25] And
it was the third hour, and they
crucified him.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Horus was also crucified in
the heavens. He was represented, like...
Christ Jesus, with outstretched arms in the vault of heaven.
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 484; Bible Myths, and Their Parallels in Other Religions
by Thomas Doane New York: J.W. Bouton, 1884.
Sourced To:
Photo of Horus vault.
Hawk-headed, as became a
leading god, carrying the flail, with a winged
disk for his symbol, he came from the maem mist, or sacred birthplace,
as the "Mystic child of the ark," and as the " Unbegotten god." With
outstretched arms he is the vault of heaven.
Which is ultimately
sourced to the German writer Kreuz:
'Ware das Kreuz keine
Phallus-zeichen, so fragt sich, was sollte die
Kreuzigung der Psyche (die Seele ist hier, weil sie zur Sinnlichkeit
sich hinneigt, als weibliches Wesen aufgefasst) durch Eros, fur einen
Sinn gehabt haben? Oder welche Absicht leitete jenen Maler, dessen
Kunstwerk den Ausonius zu der Idylle, Cupido cruci Affixes,
begeisterte?' Nork, s. v. Kreuz, 389.
Rough Translation:
' If not a sign of the
cross-phallus, the question is, how should the crucifixion of the psyche
(the soul is here, because it inclines to the
senses, as a female being considered)
by Eros,
be
made sense of? Or what was the intended direction of that painter,
whose art work to the idyll of the Ausonius,
Cupid cruci affixus, to be enthusiastic?'
Validity:
This assertion that either Osiris or Horus were crucified is based on
two things, the Horus vault image and Kreuz's opinion that the
cross/crucifixion are actually components of a sex act.
Look at the vault. Is Horus bound in any way? Is he tied,
nailed or
otherwise attached at the arms? Is he in distress, are there elements
of death here? No blood, not even a look of angst on his face.
It seems as if these assertions are merely opinion, based on no actual
text or writings surround this image; in which case your opinion is
just as valid. This is not a crucifixion.
As for Kreuz, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, sexual about the
'symbolism' of someone being tortured and nailed to a wooden cross then
hung to die. This is, again, an opinion.
I would also like to note that I cannot find an original photo of the
Horus vault. If anyone has a lead on one that I can take a look at,
please contract me.
Actual Story:
One evening when she
came home Horus failed to run to meet
her,
as was his wont, and, struck with a sudden chill fore-boding, she
hurried forward to the house. There, stretched out on the floor, his
body swollen and shapeless, his face livid, and his limbs all
tense and
rigid, the curly-headed boy lay dead.
She had protected him against Set
and all men, but she had overlooked the most dangerous reptile in the
land ; and in her absence he had been
stung by a scorpion, and was now
no more.
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Now soon after Isis had
restored to life the son of the woman who had
shown churlishness to her, a terrible calamity fell upon her, for her
beloved son Horus was stung by a scorpion and died.
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This speech refers to the
air which Isis produced by the beating of her
wings when she restored Osiris to life in order that she might conceive
an heir by him, and also to the air which she provided for her son
Horus after he had been stung to death by a scorpion.
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Zeitgeist Says:
In this regard, the pharaoh
is the "living Horus," until he dies, at
which point he becomes "the Osiris," who is then resurrected to eternal
life—and as his son, Horus, the morning sun.
Zeitgeist Source:
Diodorus Siculus. The Antiquities of
Egypt. tr. Edwin Murphy. New Brunswick: Transaction, 1990
Sourced To:
Unknown, to be updated.
Validity:
This analysis takes a few wrong turns. The main being that Horus
himself went through an identical transformation into godhood by
defeating Set. Pharaoh is seen as a
man becoming a god, just as Horus
became a god and took the place of Osiris. Additionally, the
most
important thing to explain is that no
Pharaohs are actually
resurrected; meaning, no dead Pharaoh ever came back to life
after
undergoing this process. This ritual was merely a control mechanism
used by the Egyptians to justify even the
cruelest of Pharaoh's reins by
making an unfounded and unprovable
claim that they became gods.
Actual Story:
Horus
The god [Thoth] bent over
the body of Horus, and quickly
spoke the
magical words of power ; when lo, what a transformation ! The
rigid
limbs relaxed, the formless body waxed round and firm, a ruddy tint
spread over cheek and face, and there yea, it could not be mistaken a
smile played on the dimpling lips.
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In answer to these words Thoth, turning to
Isis and Nephthys, bade them
to fear not, and to have no anxiety about Horus, "For," said he, "I
have come from heaven to heal the child for his mother."
He then
pointed out that Horus was under protection as the Dweller in his Disk
(Aten), the Great Dwarf, the Mighty Ram, the Great Hawk, the Holy
Beetle, the Hidden Body, the Divine Bennu, etc., and proceeded to utter
the great spell which restored Horus to life... "It is the words
of
power of his mother which have lifted up his face, and they shall
enable him to journey wheresoever he pleaseth, and to put fear into the
powers above. I myself hasten [to obey them]."
Horus was resurrected not of his own
power, but by Thoth.
Since
Horus, Osiris and Re [Ra] are all considered 'the sun' the resurrection
is merely a retelling of that event. Although this story differs from
the gospel account in details, the idea of 'coming back after one has
gone' is the same. This is the only similarity between Horus, Osiris,
Re [Ra] and Jesus. However, I would like to point out that the
Egyptians, in all their wisdom, were wrong
about the sun, in the sense
that it never actually died,
which is permanent outside of God, but
merely went away for a time.
Jesus
[ Mar 16:5-6] And entering into the sepulchre, they
saw a young man
sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they
were affrighted.
And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth,
which was crucified: he is risen;
he is not here: behold the place
where they laid him.
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[ Mar 16:9] Now when [Jesus] was risen early the
first [day] of the
week, he appeared first to Mary
Magdalene, out of whom he had cast
seven devils.
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[ Hbr 2:14] Forasmuch then as the children are
partakers of flesh and
blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through
death he might destroy him that had
the power of death, that is, the
devil;
Jesus raised from the dead and visited many of his disciples. Paul
points out that Jesus defeated death, the devil, on the cross.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Let us adore the supremacy
of that divine Sun, the Godhead, who illuminates all, who recreates
all, from whom all proceed, to whom all must return: whom we invoke to
direct our understanding aright in our progress toward his holy seat.
Page 37; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Balfour, Edward, ed. Cyclopedia of
India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, V. Madras: Scottish and
Lawrence Presses, 1873.
Sourced To:
Gāyatrī Mantra
by Indianist Sir William Jones
Validity:
There are several translations
of this particular passage. The one considered to be the most literal is that by Ralph Griffith:
The rest also differ from Jones':
"Unveil, O Thou who givest
sustenance to the Universe, from whom all proceed, to whom all must
return, that face of the True Sun now hidden by a vase of golden light,
that we may see the truth and do our whole duty on our journey to thy
sacred seat."
William Quan Judge 1893
"We meditate on the worshipable power and glory of Him who has created
the earth, the nether world and the heavens (i.e. the universe), and
who directs our understanding."
Sivanath Sastri (Brahmo Samaj) 1911
"We meditate on the glory of that Being who has produced this universe;
may He enlighten our minds."
Swami Vivekananda 1915
"We meditate on the effulgent glory of the divine Light; may he inspire
our understanding."
Or
"We meditate on the adorable glory of the radiant sun; may he inspire
our intelligence."
S. Radhakrishnan 1947, 1953
Clearly there is no correlation between the Lord God of the Bible and
Vishnu/Krishna.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Just as Jesus was
considered an incarnation of God himself, so was Krishna the
incarnation of Vishnu in a miraculous conception. In another sacred
Indian text called the Vishnu Purana (5.1-3) we read:
…the supporter of the
earth, Vishnu, would be the eighth child of Devakí…
No person could bear to gaze upon Devaki, from the light that invested
her, and those who contemplated her radiance felt their minds
disturbed. The gods, invisible to mortals, celebrated her praises
continually from the time that Vishnu was contained in her person....
Thus eulogized by the gods, Devaki bore, in her womb, the lotus-eyed
(deity), the protector of the world....
Page 38; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Pages 264, 286; Wilson, H.H., tr. The Vishnu Purana: A
System of Hindu Mythology and Tradition, IV. London: Trubner
& Co., 1868.
Validity:
It is widely accepted that the Vishnu Purana is dated after the
Christian era, due to its mention of the Gupta Empire which existed in
the 3rd century AD.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Indeed, the notion of a
"divine birth" is common in the ancient literature; although not always
the same as "virgin birth," it is very close, by definition. In the
Indian text the Bhagavad Gita
(4:9), Krishna tells his disciple Arjuna about his own "divine" or
"transcendental" birth.
Page 39; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
He who thus knoweth My
divine birth and action, in its essence, having abandoned the body,
cometh not to birth again, bit cometh unto Me, O Arjuna.
Page 64 [74]; The Bhagavad Gita (4:9)
Validity:
This argument ignores the essential principals of Vishnu, that of
himself being reborn over and over, and not as 'the Son.' In the privies
verse Vishnu says:
For the protection of the
good, for the destruction of evil-doers, for the sake of firmly
establishing righteousness, I am born form age to age.
Page 64 [74]; The Bhagavad Gita
(4:8)
Clearly, being born again and again is not
part of the Christian belief, who remember the words of Christ
on the cross:
[ John 19:30] When Jesus therefore had received
the vinegar, he said, It
is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
We can also draw the clear conclusion that none of the births are claimed to
have been 'virgin births.' And, as was discussed in the section on
Joseph, miraculous births are common
in the Torah and Jewish history which predate the Bhagavad Gita.
Actual Story:
Vasudeva saw that wonderful
child born as a baby with four hands... When Vasudeva, who is also
called Änakadundubhi, was looking at his newborn baby, he was so happy
that he wanted to give many thousands of cows in charity to the
brähmaëas.
Pages 31-32; Kåñëa, The Supreme
Personality of Godhead
The night was wild, whereon
would come to earth Krishna, the Holy Child. Within, in the dungeons of
Mathura, Devaki and her husband
Vasudeva waited, trembling... At the moment of His birth, the
prison was filled with a soft light, streaming out from the Babe
Himself, and as He lay back in His mother's lap, they saw shining out
from behind Him four arms. One hand held the shank or battle-trumpet ;
another the discus ; a third the mace ; and in the fourth was a lotus
on its stem. Then Devaki and Vasudeva knew these for the signs of
Vishnu, and they worshipped the Child, saying the salutations, as
Narayan, Saviour of the World.
Pages; 154-155 [176-177] Cradle Tales of
Hinduism by the Sister Nivedita, 1907
Kons, a Chhetree (the royal
race) Rajah of Mathurapuri, having been informed by a voice from
heaven, that he would meet his death at the hands of a son of his
sister, Deokee, who was married to Basdeo, ordered them to be placed
under a guard and their offspring to
be destroyed.
Page; 25 [31] Christ Versus Krishna: A Brief Comparison
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Zeitgeist Says:
Krishna‘s performance of
miracles, in front of his disciples, is legendary, including many in
the Mahabharata, in which he reveals mysteries to his disciple Arjuna
(John?). Krishna does likewise in the Bhagavad Gita, in which he
describes himself as the "Lord of all beings," among many epithets
similar to those found within Christianity. In this same regard,
Krishna says: "I am the origin of all that exists, and everything
emanates from Me."
Page 40; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 17; The Real Zeitgeist
Challenge by Acharya S aka D.M. Murdock
Sourced To:
The Bhagavad Gita,
The Mahabharata
(??)
Validity:
Murdock subtly drops in the line that Krishna worked miracles, when he
did not, tying that into the title of "Lord of All Beings." There are
not miracles in either the Mahabharata or Bhagavad Gita that are even
similar to the works of Jesus Christ. The majority of works concerning
Krishna are either centred around battles or the incessant yammering of
Vishnu on how wonderful and loving he is.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Just after the war, Krishna dies, as he had predicted he would, when,
in a position of meditation, he is struck in the heel by a hunter‘s
arrow. His apotheosis occurs when he ascends in death to the heavens
and is greeted by the gods.
Page 40; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Although it is not specifically stated that Krishna "resurrects" upon
his death—when he is killed under a tree—he does ascend into heaven,
alive again, since he is considered to be the eternal God of the
cosmos. Krishna‘s death is recounted in the Mahabharata and Vishnu
Purana, both claiming he was killed by a hunter while sitting under a
tree, the arrow penetrating his foot, much like Christ having a nail
driven through his feet.
Page 40-41; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 232; Leeming, David Adams. The
Oxford Companion to World Mythology. New York; Oxford: Oxford
University Press, 2005.
Sourced To:
A fierce hunter of the name
of Jara then came there, desirous of deer. The hunter, mistaking
Keshava, who was stretched on the earth in high Yoga, for a deer,
pierced him at the heel with a shaft and quickly came to that spot for
capturing his prey. Coming up, Jara beheld a man dressed in yellow
robes, rapt in Yoga and endued with many arms. Regarding himself an
offender, and filled with fear, he touched the feet of Keshava. The
high-souled one comforted him and then ascended upwards, filling the
entire welkin with splendour. When he reached Heaven, Vasava and the
twin Ashvinis and Rudra and the Adityas and the Vasus and the
Viswedevas, and Munis and Siddhas and many foremost ones among the
Gandharvas, with the Apsaras, advanced to receive him.
The Mahabharta, Book 16 Section 4
Validity:
There are clear differences between Christ's crucifixion and the story
of Krishna being shot in the heel; enough to declare them different
tales. Clearly Krishna was never resurrected. He was shot, died and
went to heaven. He was not crucified, dead three days nor did he ascend
into heaven as a man (not spirit).
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Zeitgeist Says:
According to the most
common tradition, Dionysus was the son of the god Zeus and the mortal
woman Semele. In the Cretan version of the same story, which Diodorus
Siculus follows, Dionysus was the son of Zeus and Persephone, the
daughter of Demeter also called Kore, who, as we have seen, is styled a
"virgin goddess."
Page 43; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
According to one version of
the story, apparently followed here by Proclus, Zeus had a soup made
from it and served it to Semele who thus became pregnant from Dionysus
and gave birth to him
Page 288 [305]; van den Berg, R.M. Proclus’ Hymns:
Essays, Translations, Commentary. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 2001.
While the maiden goddess sat there, peacefully weaving a mantle on
which there was to be a representation of the universe, her mother
contrived that Zeus should learn of her presence; he approached her in
the form of an immense snake. And the
virgin conceived the ever-dying, ever-living god of bread and
wine, Dionysus, who was born and nurtured in that cave, torn to death
as a babe and resurrected...
Page 27 [33]; The Masks of God:
Primitive Mythology by Joseph Campbell
Dionysus, son of Zeus, is born of a
mortal virgin, Semele, who later became immortalized through the
intervention of her divine son; Jesus, son of God, is born of a mortal
virgin, Mary… such stories can be duplicated over and over again.
Page 108; Hugh-Jones, Stephen, and James Alexander
Laidlaw, eds. The Essential Edmund
Leach, v. 1-2. Yale University Press, 2001.
Sourced To:
Hugh-Jones/Laidlaw source nothing. The page 27 reference to The Masks of God is not there, it
must be a typo. I searched through The
Mythic Image and it was not there either.
Validity:
Hugh-Jones/Laidlaw
were merely facsimilating a
story, not actually referring
to any historical account.
Van deer Berg
clearly states that Semele became
pregnant from Dionysus. Thus, and disgustingly, Dionysus impregnated his own mother.
Additionally, this is not noted as a
virgin birth, and how could it
be if this was her 'second child'?
Actual Story:
Hardly less humanised is
the Theban legend of Dionysus, the
legend of his birth from Semele, which, out of the entire body
of tradition concerning him was accepted as central by the Athenian
imagination... Semele, an old Greek word, as it seems, for the surface
of the earth, the daughter of Cadmus, beloved
by Zeus, desires to see her lover in the glory with which
he is seen by the immortal Hera.
Pages 23-24 [33-34]; Greek Studies: A
Series of Essays By Walter Pater 1914
For Zeus looked on sweet Semele and loved her;
and coming to her bower by night,
wooed her in his own majestic shape; yet he veiled the full glory of
his godhead, which no mortal may behold and live. And Semele yielded
with trembling rapture to the divine
lover's embrace; nor once only, for he visited her many a time and oft in the
silent night...
Hyades, Ladies of the Rain. These
brought up the son of Semele in their hallowed haunts,
nourishing him with divine ambrosia, and they named him Dionysus, from Zeus his
father and Nysa his home.
Pages 191, 193 [203, 205]; The Muses Pageant: The Myths Legends of Ancient Greece Volume 1 by Winifred
Hutchinson
Athena, like another
Trelawney, saved the heart, and carried it to Zeus; Zeus gave it to
Semele, who, impregnated with it,
gave to the god a second birth under the name of Dionysus.
Page 187 [204]; The Story of
Civilization II: The Life of Greece by WIll Durant
At one moment he leaned over the bed, with a horned head on human
limbs, lowing with the voice of a bull, the very imitation of
bullhorned Dionysos. Again, he put on the form of a shaggy lion; at
another time he was a panther, like one who sires a bold son, driver of
panthers and charioteer of lions. Again, as a young bridegroom he bound
his hair with coiling snakes and vine-leaves intertwined, and twisted
purple ivy about his locks, the plaitedornament of Bacchos. A writhing serpent crawled over the
trembling bride and licked her rosy neck with gentle lips, then
slipping into her bosom girdled the circuit of her firm breasts,
hissing a wedding tune, and sprinkled her with sweet honey of the
swarming bees instead of the viper’s deadly poison. Zeus’ lovemaking was prolonged and, as if
the winepress were near, he shouted ‘Euhoi!’ as he sired his son
who would love that cry. *
Pages 87-88 [111-112]; The Gods of Ancient
Greece: Identities and Transformations by Jan Bremmer and
Andrew Erskine
*Note: Gross!
Photo Source
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Zeitgeist Says:
The miracles of Dionysus
are legendary, as is his role as the god of wine, echoed in the later
Christian story of Jesus multiplying the jars of wine at the wedding
feast of Cana (Jn 2:1-9).
Page 43; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
This story is really the
Christian counterpart to the pagan legends of Dionysus, the Greek god
of wine, who at his annual festival in his temple of Elis filled three
empty kettles with wine—no water needed! And on the fifth of January
wine instead of water gushed from his temple at Andros. If we believe
Jesus‘ miracle, why should we not believe Dionysus‘s?
Page 125; Leedom, Tim, ed. The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You to
Read. Kendall/Hunt, 1993.
As the god of the vine, Dionysus is depicted in ancient texts as
traveling around teaching agriculture, as well as doing various
miracles, such as in Homer‘s The Iliad, dating to the 9th
century BCE, and in The Bacchae of Euripides,
the famous Greek playwright who lived around 480 to 406 BCE. In
addition, Dionysus‘s miracle of changing water to wine is also
recounted in pre-Christian times by Diodorus (Library of History,
3.66.3).
Page 18; The Real ZEITGEIST
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Sourced To:
66. Now these accounts of
the birth of Dionysus are generally agreed upon by the ancient writers;
but rival claims are raised by not a few Greek cities to having been
the place of his birth. The peoples of Elis and Naxos, for instance,
and the inhabitants of Eleutherae and Teos and several other peoples,
state that he was born in their cities. The Teans advance
as proof that the god was born among them the fact that, even to
this day, at fixed times in their
city a fountain of wine, 1 of
unusually sweet fragrance, flows of its own accord from the earth
; and as for the peoples of the other cities, they in some cases point
out a plot of land which is sacred to Dionysus, in other cases shrines
and sacred precincts which have been consecrated to him from
ancient times.
1
Archaeological evidence that a miraculous flow of wine was caused by the priests of a
temple (of Dionysus?) of the fifth century B.C. in Corinth is
presented by Campbell Bonner, "A Dionysiac Miracle at Corinth,"
Am. Journal of Archaeology, 33 (1929), 368-75.
Pages 301-303 [315-317]; Diodorus Siculus Library of History
Volume II
4. We have stated in the previous Books that certain barbarian peoples
claim for themselves the birthplace of this god. The Egyptians, for
example, say that the god who among them bears he name Osiris is the
one whom the Greeks call Dionysus. And this god, as their myths relate,
visited all the inhabited world, was the
discoverer of wine, taught
mankind how to cultivate the vine, and because of this
benefaction of his received the gift of immortality with the approval
of all. But the Indians likewise declare that this god was born among
them, and that after he had ingeniously discovered how to cultivate the
vine he shared the benefit which wine imparts with human beings
throughout the inhabited world. But for our part, since we have spoken
of these matters in detail, we shall at this point recount what the
Greeks have to say about this god.
Page 343 [357]; Diodorus Siculus Library of History
Volume II
But Agamemnon, prince of men, uprais'd him on the instant;
And up the wise Ulysses rose. Thereat, the stately heralds
Brought mutual the sacred gear ; wine
in the bowl they mingled.
And on the hands of adverse kings sprinkled the holy water.
Page 53 [80]; The Iliad
by Homer F. W. Newman Translation
Amid the Grecian host and Trojan train,
Slow they proceed: the sage Ulysses then
Arose, and with him rose the king of men.
On either side a sacred herald stands,
The wine they mix,
and on each monarch's hands
Pour the full urn; then draws the Grecian lord
His cutlass sheathed beside his ponderous sword;
From the sign'd victims crops the curling hair;
Page 98 [170]; The Iliad
by Homer Alexander Pope Translation
And he loveth constantly
Her who brings increase,
The Feeder of Children, Peace.
No grudge hath he of the great;
No scorn of the mean estate;
But to all that liveth His
wine he giveth,
Griefless, immaculate;
Only on them that spurn
Joy, may his anger burn.
…
And one would raise
Her wand and smite the rock, and straight a jet
Of quick bright water came. Another set
Her thyrsus in the bosomed earth, and there
Was red wine that the God
sent up to her,
A darkling fountain.
And if any lips
Sought whiter draughts, with dipping finger-tips
They pressed the sod, and gushing from the ground
Came springs of milk.
The Bacchae
of Euripides translated by Gilbert Murray
Validity:
Another set of 'misquotes' by Leedom and Murdock. Dionysus was the
discoverer of wine and drunkenness. He never actually manifest wine
from water or from thin air in any pre-Christian myth. The Iliad clearly states that the wine was mixed, not created. The Bacchae of Euripides discusses God giving wine and wine being a gift to
those who live, but no mention of the spontaneous creation of wine.
As for the fountain of wine. It was
not said to have been caused by Dionysus himself, but as a
result of his birth.
This claim has absolutely no validity
and is baseless.
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Zeitgeist Says:
In Bible Myths and Their
Parallels in Other Religions, Doane asserts, "Bacchus, the offspring of
Jupiter and Semele was called the 'Savior,‘ ...he was called the 'Only
Begotten Son.‘"
Page 44; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 193 [221]; Bible Myths, and
Their Parallels in Other Religions by Thomas Doane New York:
J.W. Bouton, 1884.
Sourced To:
The Orphic legend which is
here cited, makes Dionysus-Zagreus the son
of Zeus or Jupiter, begotten by him in the form of the sacred Dragon upon Kore, said by some to be
his daughter by Ceres or Demeter, and by others to be Demeter herself.
Nonnus adopts the former idea and styles her Kore- Persephoneia. Zeus
had destined this child for King of Heaven, and placed him in charge of
Apollo and the Curetes, the ancient priest-caste of Greece, Crete, and
Phrygia.
Page 156 [320]; The Symbolic
Language of Ancient Art and Mythology by Richard Payne Knight
The title [greek text],
upon the composite Priapic figure, published by La Chausse, is well
known ; and it is probable that the ithyphallic ceremonies, which the
gross flattery of the degenerate Greeks sometimes employed to honor the
Macedonian princes, had the same meaning as this title of Saviour,
which was frequently conferred upon, or assumed by them. It was also
occasionally applied to most of the deities who had double
attributes, or were personifications of both powers ; as to Hercules,
Bacchus, Diana, etc.
Page 98 [216]; The Symbolic
Language of Ancient Art and Mythology by
Richard Payne Knight
Sources Source:
Richard Payne, on page 98, sources The Deipnosophists by Athenaeus, vi.
16. I have looked this up in volume one of his complete writings to the
allocated section on pages 362-363 [374-375]. I could not find a reference to Saviour.
If anyone can find it in volumes 1, 2 or 3 let me know. However, in Pausanias' Arcadia, the
reference is present, but different:
[8.31.7]… Within the
enclosure of the goddesses are the following images, which all have a
square shape: Hermes, surnamed Agetor, Apollo, Athena, Poseidon, Sun too, surnamed Saviour, and
Heracles.
Arcadia
Book 8 by Pausanius
Validity:
Obviously, the only one referred to as 'Saviour'
is the Sun, or Zeus, in
this case. None of the others were
considered as such.
He was also never referred to as only begotten
son, simply begotten
son. I don't know how anyone could assert that Zeus had only one
son. He was as promiscuous as the Whore of Babylon.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Mithra was born in a cave,
and on the 25th December. He was born of a Virgin. He traveled far and
wide as a teacher and illuminator of men. He slew the Bull (symbol of
the gross Earth which the sunlight fructifies). His great festivals
were the winter solstice and the Spring equinox (Christmas and Easter).
He had twelve companions or disciples (the twelve months). He was
buried in a tomb, from which however he rose again; and his
resurrection was celebrated yearly with great rejoicings. He was called
Savior and Mediator, and sometimes figured as a Lamb; and sacramental
feasts in remembrance of him were held by his followers. This legend is
apparently partly astronomical and partly vegetational; and the same
may be said of the following about Osiris.
Page 45-46; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 21; Carpenter, Edward. Pagan and Christian Creeds: Their Origin
and Meaning. Harcourt, Brace & Co., 1921.
Sourced To:
Given these identities, it
was inevitable that, whether or not
Mithra was originally, or in the older Mazdean creed, regarded
as born of a Virgin, he should in his
western cultus come to be so regarded.
Page 338 [360]; Pagan Christs:
Studies in Comparative Hierology by John Mackinnon
Robertson, 1903
Validity:
The only thing that Robertson, as Carpenter's source, cites is the catholic publication, a mark of
automatic forgery, Patrologia Graeca. However, if you read what he said
carefully, he never actually affirms
that the Mithra born of a virgin myth existed before Christ,
rather, that it was adopted later by Western cults, thus, after Christ.
The rest of his assertions, minus the December 25th birth which is
irrelevant, are not sourced.
Actual Story:
The light bursting from the
heavens, which were conceived as a solid vault, became, in the
mythology of the Magi, Mithra born
from the rock.
The tradition ran that the "Generative Rock," of which a standing image
was worshipped in the temples, had given birth to Mithra on the banks
of a river, under the shade of a sacred tree, and that shepherds alone,
ensconced in a neighboring mountain, had witnessed the miracle of his
entrance into the world.
Pages 130-131 [150-151]; The Mysteries of Mithra by
Franz Cumont, Professor in the University of Ghent, Belgium
According to myth, Mithra
was born, bearing a torch and armed with a knife, beside a sacred
stream and under a sacred tree, a
child of the earth itself.
Encyclopedia Britannica
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Zeitgeist Says:
Very simply, "the Twelve"
are the signs of the zodiac, metaphorically
introduced in the mysteries, and this motif is likely the source of
Jesus‘s 12. During the very era when Christ had supposedly walked the
earth, two prominent Jewish writers, Philo (c. 20 BCE-c. 50 AD/CE) and
Josephus (37-c. 100 AD/CE), explained that the 12 Jewish tribes were
symbolic of the signs of the zodiac.
Zeitgeist Source:
As Josephus says
(Antiquities, 3.8): ―And for the twelve
stones [of Exodus 39:9-14], whether we understand by them the
months, or whether
we understand the like number of the signs of that circle which the Greeks call the zodiac,
we shall not be mistaken in their meaning."
(Josephus/Whiston, 75.) Earlier than Josephus, Philo ("On the Life of
Moses," 12) had made the same comments regarding Moses: "Then the
twelve stones on the breast, which are not like one another in colour,
and which are divided into four rows of three stones in each, what else
can they be emblems of, except of the circle of the zodiac?"
(Philo/Yonge, 99.)
Sourced To:
Irrelevant.
Validity:
The claim that the 12 apostles idea was taken out of the 12 zodiacs can
easily be refuted. The 12 tribes of Israel existed before (700-1000
years) the first use of a
12 sign zodiac. The 12
apostles are a
reflection of this as was the zodiac. If
anyone borrowed anything it
was the Babylonians from Israel. I could not manage to date the
story provided by Brooksbank below, which could have come in the New
Kingdom of Egypt, after the twelve kings of Ishmael were prophesied.
Actual Story:
Horus
But as years rolled on
Sethos grew ever more disliked by his people,
and on his death they resolved never more to allow themselves to be
ruled by one man. This resolve they failed to keep in later years, but
for the moment they were filled with zeal for their new plan. Wherefore
they chose twelve kings,
dividing the whole country into twelve
districts and setting over each a king.
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The followers of Horus here
mentioned are called in the text "Mesniu,"
i.e., "blacksmiths," or "workers in metal," and they represent the
primitive conquerors of the Egyptians, who were armed with metal
weapons, and so were able to overcome with tolerable ease the
indigenous Egyptians, whose weapons were made of flint and wood. Horus and his
"blacksmiths" were provided with iron lances and chains,
and, baying cast the chains over the monsters in the river, they drove
their lances into their snouts, and slew 651 of them.
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Grant that cakes and ale
may be given unto him, and let him appear in
the presence of Osiris ; and let him be like unto the followers of
Horus for ever and ever."
There are no specific numbers
given for Horus' followers.
And How About Mithra?
Franz Cumont argues that Mithra has been found in images showing the 12
zodiacs and the 12 events of Mithra's life. However, this is disputed
by David Ulansey in The
Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries. Either way,
there is almost a complete lack of writings concerning Mithra and the
cult surrounding it. Their beliefs have been lost.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Mithra surrounded by the 12
"companions" is a motif found on many Mithraic remains and representing
the 12 signs of the zodiac. The comparison of this common motif with
Jesus and the 12 has been made on many occasions, including in an
extensive study entitled, "Mithras and Christ: some iconographical
similarities," by Professor A. Deman in the same volume of Mithraic
Studies.
Page 47; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist
Source:
Page 20; The Real ZEITGEIST
Challenge by Acharya S aka D.M. Murdock
Sourced To:
Page 507ff; Hinnells, John R., ed., Proceedings of the
First International Congress of Mithraic Studies, II,
Manchester University Press, 1975.
Validity:
There are no carvings of Mithra surrounded by the 12 sign zodiac that
have been dated pre Jesus Christ. Even if there were, the 12 sign
zodiac was derived from the 12 tribes of Israel, making the point
irrelevant. And additionally, the 12 found on two carvings are not
disciples or apostles in any way shape or form.
Images:
From pages 55, 122 [75, 142]; The Mysteries of
Mithra by Franz Cumont, Professor in the University of
Ghent, Belgium
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Zeitgeist Says:
the side panels of many
Mithraic reliefs and paintings are interpreted as representations of
the primeval life of the god, in which he performed miracles,
experience various adventures, and celebrated an archetypal communion
meal before he ascended to heaven.
Page 48; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 291; Hinnells, John R., ed., Proceedings of the
First International Congress of Mithraic Studies, II,
Manchester University Press, 1975.
Sourced To:
The Mysteries of
Mithra by Franz Cumont, Professor in the University of
Ghent, Belgium
Validity:
Again, none of the referenced art pre-dates Jesus Christ. All well
documented Mithraic worship occurred during the mid Roman era.
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Zeitgeist Says:
On Black Friday (cf. Good
Friday) the taurobolium, or bull-slaying, was represented. At this
festival, the sacrament often comprised blood drinking. Mithras, worn
out by the battle, was symbolically represented by a stone image lain
on a bier as a corpse. He was mourned for in liturgy, and placed in a
sacred rock tomb called "Petra," from which he was removed after three
days in a great festival of rejoicing.
...
Both Mithras and Christ were described variously as "the way," "the
truth," "the light," "the life," "the word," "the son of god," "the
good shepherd…"
Pages 48-49; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Page 57 [49-50]; Berry, Gerald. Religions of the
World. New York: Barnes & Noble, 1968.
Sourced To:
Nothing.
Validity:
I really don't know where Berry is getting his information. He doesn't
source any books or any mithraic artifacts. This is just another
opinion.
Actual Story:
There is no death story for Mithra nor is there a resurrection story
that pre-date Jesus Christ. I also can't find any similitude of titles.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Among other titles, Mithra was said to be, "Mighty in strength, mighty
rulers, greatest king of gods! O Sun, lord of heaven and earth, God of
Gods!" He was also called "the mediator."
Page 49; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
After another invocation,
in what may possibly be some Asianic or Anatolian language very much
corrupted, the initiate beholds" a young god, beautiful, with fiery
hair, in white tunic and purple mantle, and having on his head a crown
of fire," who seems to be Helios or Sol, the driver of the sun's
chariot on the Mithraic monuments. He is saluted as "Mighty in
strength, mighty ruler, greatest king of gods! Sun, lord of heaven and
earth, God of Gods!"
Page 266; Legge, Francis. Forerunners and
Rivals of Christianity: From 330 B.C. to 330 A.D. New York:
University Books, 1964.
As Mansfeld was the first
to suggest explicitly, this passage must be translated "That is why the
Persians call the Mediator Mithras." Almost all previous interpreters
had translated the passage "That is why the Persians call Mithras the
Mediator."
Page 172; de Jong, Albert. Traditions of the
Magi: Zoroastrianism in Greek and Latin Literature. Leiden:
E.J. Brill, 1997.
Sourced To:
Legge sources absolutely no one. Amazing.
de Jong is sourcing Plutarch, but notes:
Additionally, the quote does not
indicate that Mithra was a mediator
between God and man as Jesus
Christ is. Rather, a mediator between men
as de Jong notes on page 174 with the story of Ohrmazd and Ahreman.
Validity:
Another clear set of misquotes
and lack of sources.
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Zeitgeist Says:
In the New Testament ( Mt 2:1-12), the number of "wise men" or
magi—i.e., astrologers—following the star at Jesus‘s birth is not
given. However, it is traditionally assumed to be three because of the
three gifts (frankincense, myrrh and gold) presented by these magi or
"kings" during their visit with the divine child.
Zeitgeist Source:
Homilies on Genesis and Exodus by Church father Origen
(older edition)
Sourced To:
Nothing.
Validity:
Irrelevant. Clearly 'father' Origen was referring to Ochozath, Phicol
and Abimelech in reference to the 'magi' without actually claiming that
there were three wise men. Even if he had claimed that there
were three
magi no true Christian would attest
this was truth There were only three gifts. described in Matthew 2.
Actual Story:
But he soon attracted the
notice of the elders of the town, and the
wise ones were not slow to recognize that in the noble and
kingly-looking youth, who had come so mysteriously into their
midst,
was some one higher than of peasant blood, one superior to themselves ;
and ere long Horus became a welcome guest to each and all, were he
governor or peasant. Every door was
open to him ; every house cried
forth a greeting.
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Isis and Nephthys weave
magical protection for thee in the city of
Saut, for thee their lord, in thy name of 'Lord of Saut,' for their
god, in thy name of 'God.' They praise thee; go not thou far from
them in thy name of 'Tua.' They present offerings to thee; be not
wroth in thy name of 'Tchentru.'
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Zeitgeist Says:
From 4300 B.C. to 2150
B.C., it was the Age of Taurus, the Bull. From
2150 B.C. to 1 A.D., it was the Age of Aries, the Ram, and from 1 A.D.
to 2150 A.D. it is the Age of Pisces, the age we are still in to this
day, and in and around 2150, we will enter the new age: the Age of
Aquarius.
Page 70; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
At Luke 22:10 when Jesus is
asked by his disciples where the last
Passover will be, Jesus replied: “Behold, when ye are entered into the
city, there shall a man meet you bearing a pitcher of water... follow
him into the house where he entereth in.” This scripture is by far one
of the most revealing of all the astrological references. The man
bearing a pitcher of water is Aquarius, the water-bearer, who is always
pictured as a man pouring out a pitcher of water. He represents the age
after Pisces, and when the Sun, “God’s Sun,” leaves the Age of Pisces,
“Jesus,” it will go into the House of Aquarius, as Aquarius follows
Pisces in the precession of the equinoxes. All Jesus is saying is that
after the Age of Pisces will come the Age of Aquarius.
Page 74; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
Various sources.
Validity:
There are some rather large problems with this theory, lets go through
each sign to see where the film has gone wrong.
Taurus
I have no doubt that the bull of the zodiac [4300-2150 BC] is a similar
god to the calf which the Israelites demanded while Moses tarried in
the mountain. But Moses wasn't born until 1571 B.C., throwing off
the theory that the zodiac somehow coincides with events that occurred
579 years later. So how could the calf be a symbol of an age already
past?
Aries
The next sign in line is Aries
[2150BC - 1AD], the Ram. Now, you could draw, which the film
seems to miss, a huge comparison between Abram's sacrifice of the Ram,
as well as what would become the sacrificial ram, during the period
starting at Abram's birth in 1996BC and ending when Jesus came. It seems to
match perfectly… but the problem is, Aries
wasn't a Ram until, at earliest, 326BC, which is off by 1800 years. Before the first ram of
the Hellenistic period in Uruk, Aries was known as the 'Hired Man,'
which came into being not until 1100BC [Page 8; Appendix 4: The Origin of Aries the Ram].
Thus, the Aries connection is another flop.
Pisces
This is an interesting one. The first known reference to the two fish of Pisces comes in Ovid's
Fasti poem, partially completed in 8AD
when he was exiled from Rome by Augustus.
Without delay she sprang
forward. Twin
fish received her on their backs, wherefore they now possess the
stars, a guerdon meet. Hence scrupulous Syrians count it sin to serve
up such fry upon the table, and will not defile their mouths with fish.
Page 91 [127]; Ovid's Fasti
translated by Sir James George Frazer, 1959
The reason this is the first use of the twin fish is inadvertently
explained by Sir James Frazer,
who translated the work:
The astronomical section of
the poem, which the author puts prominently
forward in his exordium, is much less
valuable than the historical. The notices of the rising and
setting of the constellations, which were the hinges whereon the
ancient calendars revolved, are often
very inaccurate in the Fasti, and while Ovid pays a warm tribute
to the genius and lofty character of the ancient astronomers," he seems
not to have learned even the elements of their science. Indeed, he has
fallen into the strange mistake of mentioning
an entirely fictitious constellation, that of the Kite, which
seems to have owed its imaginary
existence to the blunder of some ignorant Roman calendar maker,
who, finding in a Greek calendar the notice of the arrival of the kite
in spring, converted the first appearance of that migratory bird into
the rising of a constellation of the same name. However, the mention of
the constellations furnishes our author with a reason, or an excuse,
for relating some of their myths in his usual agreeable style.[*
*Fraser notes that he is talking specifically about the Bear and Orion
here.]
Pages xx-xxi [24-25]; Ovid's Fasti translated by Sir
James George Frazer, 1959
Ovid did not know much, or did not care for, astrology and thus
recorded the first 'two fish' story, equating
it with pisces. Quite hilarious that the birth of the two fish
myth was based on Ovid's lack of
understanding the zodiac. This creates a problem for Zeitgeist's
theory, in that, Pisces was not
worshipped at the time, as two fish. How many years would it be
until Ovid's mistake would permeate throughout the land, and pagan
worship become directed towards it? If it took 20 years, which is a
generously short period of time, that
would come well after Christ's crucifixion and thus an
adaptation of the two fish as a symbol would not be a surprise. We
cannot know which came first really, and this is at best a draw.
The film also inadvertently points to solution to this stalemate. The
fish became a huge catholic symbol, as demonstrated in this still used
in Zeitgeist:
The hats they are wearing are indicative of Dagon, this fish god.
[ 1Sa 5:4] And when they arose early on the morrow
morning, behold, Dagon [was] fallen
upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his
hands [were] cut off upon the threshold; only [the stump of]
Dagon was left to him.
Strong's H1712 - Dagown
Dagon = "a fish"
1) a Philistine deity of fertility; represented with the face and hands
of a man and the tail of a fish
The reason the hats, and the 'Jesus fish' are not actually the two fish
split by Jesus Christ is that creating such things is not Biblical:
[ Act 17:29] Forasmuch then as we are the offspring
of God, we ought not to think that
the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and
man's device.
It is impossible to draw the conclusion, however, that all of the
events of history somehow coincide and were predicted and then retold
based on the zodiac. Its too general of a rubric and too complex a
history to generalize; the zodiac has the same effect on history as it
does on our daily lives. Its general
enough to be half right, but
never actually offers anything of value.
The catholic aspect of this is important to reiterate.
Catholicism is the worship, it is the culmination and ecumenicism of
all the worlds pagan religions into Christianity; or at least the
attempt to do so. The vatican has committed itself to all religions
that directly oppose Jesus Christ. Watch A Woman Rides The Beast to see
this on film. The pulpits of the catholic church, willingly or
unwillingly, worship gods such as dagon. That is why the fish is
present on catholic schools and churches and why the vatican councils
wear fish hats. Bread is a much more readily used symbol in the Bible,
yet we do not see bread symbols on peoples cars.
This is true also of the cross as a symbol. The cross is the symbol of
the sun god, in Rome it would have been Sol Invictus. Thus, the use of the cross is more a
reference of the sacrifice of Christ to the sun, rather than the
redemption of man kind through the washing of blood.
The
Pitcher
Like all of these supposed similitude's, one of these assertions rings
true. The Water-Carrier is indeed much older than the story of Christ, dated back to 1150 BC [Page 5; Appendix 2] in the circular "astrolabe" zodiac. And Jesus did indeed send forth his apostles to
find a man bearing a pitcher of water:
[ Luk 22:10] And he said unto them, Behold, when ye
are entered into the city, there shall
a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the
house where he entereth in.
And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master
saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat
the passover with my disciples?
And he shall shew you a large upper
room furnished: there make ready.
Why?
If you are still a Zeitgeister, I know your scoffing will reach its
peak when I offer up this explanation. Aquarius is ruled over by saturn. Saturn or saturnalias
is the planet of satan, boasting multiple 666 references and worshiped as
such. If the water bearer is indicative of satan, then Christ eating
his final meal in the house of saturn shows satan to be his servant.
Indeed, they are told by Jesus to say to the water-bearer, 'The Master' capital 't' capital 'm,'
meaning 'the water-bearer's master'.
Jesus is The Master over
satan and thus satan serves him. In my analysis Christ is actually mocking the zodiac in
this way.
Now, you can draw what conclusion you wish from this similarity, but to
conclude that the story of Jesus Christ was created and faked with man
made text, based on two fish and a man pouring water, in a fantastic
plan to preach a gospel of undying love, seems a bit of a stretch.
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Zeitgeist Says:
In the King James Version,
“world” is a mistranslation, among many
mistranslations. The actual word being used is “aeon”, which means
“age.”
Zeitgeist Source:
Self sourced.
Validity:
Zeitgeist takes the word 'world' in Matthew 28:20 in a different
direction than that which it can be ascribed to. The word is defined in
the greek:
Strong's G165 - aiōn
1) for ever, an unbroken age,
perpetuity of time, eternity
2) the worlds, universe
3) period of time, age
From the root word:
Strong's G104 - aei
1) perpetually, incessantly
2) invariably, at any and every time: when
according to the
circumstances something is or ought to be done again
The dominant definition is an endless or perpetual time period. In
reference to Christ, that he is not existent in a mere age, but for
ever:
[ Rev 22:13] I am
Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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[ Jhn 6:51] I am the living bread which came down
from heaven: if any
man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread
that I
will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
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[ Jhn 8:35] And the servant abideth not in the house
for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever.
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[ Rev 11:15] And the seventh angel sounded; and
there were great voices
in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms]
of our Lord, and of his Christ; and
he shall reign for ever and ever.
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Zeitgeist Says:
In this picture we have the
Annunciation, the Conception, the Birth, and the Adoration, as
described in the First and Second Chapters of Luke‘s Gospel; and as we
have historical assurance that the chapters in Matthew‘s Gospel which
contain the Miraculous Birth of Jesus are an after addition not in the
earliest manuscripts, it seems probable that these two poetical
chapters in Luke may also be unhistorical, and be borrowed from the
Egyptian accounts of the miraculous birth of their kings.
Zeitgeist Source:
Egyptologist Dr. Sharpe.
Sourced To:
Image below.
Validity:
Amenhotep III's 'virgin birth' depicted in this hieroglyph is not
actually a
miraculous birth. The renderings of the ankh, which is the symbol of reproduction and sexual union, are the
common way of depicting sex in ancient Egypt. Read this article, by an atheist, for a full
explanation of why Sharpe's analysis is incorrect. To the right is
another example of a woman being impregnated using the same ankh symbol of fertility. You can
clearly see the man in this image feeding the ankh to the woman as in the image
above.
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Zeitgeist Says:
In the Old Testament
there’s the story of Joseph. Joseph was a prototype for Jesus. Joseph
was born of a miracle birth ( Gen 30:22-24), Jesus was born of a miracle birth ( Mt 1:18-23). Joseph was of 12 brothers ( Gen 42:13), Jesus had 12 disciples ( Mt 10:1). Joseph was sold for 20 pieces of silver ( Gen 37:28), Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver
( Mt 26:15). Brother “Judah” suggests the sale of
Joseph ( Gen 37:26-27), disciple “Judas” suggests the sale
of Jesus ( Mt 26:14-15). Joseph began his work at the age of
30 ( Gen 37:28), Jesus began his work at the age of 30 ( Mt 26:15). The parallels go on and on.
Page 87; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
King
James Bible / Page 119; Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ
by Acharya
S aka D.M. Murdock / http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen043.html
Validity:
There are indeed a few similarities between Jacob and Jesus, and I'm
only going to cover the main ones since the complete list gets a little
ridiculous. Zeitgeist definitely
strains in order to
draw these similarities.
Miraculous Birth
Joseph was born of Rachel, who was barren, until her womb was opened by God and she
became pregnant (meaning he removed her barrenness):
[ Gen 30:22-24] And God remembered Rachel, and God
hearkened to her, and opened her womb.
And she conceived, and bare a son; and said, God hath taken away my reproach:
And she called his name Joseph; and said, The LORD shall add to me
another son.
First of all, all births are
considered of God and, by the film's reasoning, miraculous:
[ Deu 7:12] Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments,
and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the
covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb,
and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the
increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he
sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren
among you, or among your cattle.
Fruitfulness is of the Lord, even the fruitfulness
of evil:
[ Mat 5:45] That ye may be the children of your
Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to
rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Secondly, before Joseph, the birth of Isaac was much more miraculous:
[ Gen 17:17] Then Abraham fell upon his face, and
laughed, and said in his heart, Shall [a child] be born unto him that
is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah,
that is ninety years old, bear?
The miracle birth is a similarity at best, but not an identical event
as Zeitgeist insinuates. A virgin
birth, of whom the father is God, is much different than either of these
cases.
The Number 12
12 disciples and 12 brothers, does ring true. However, in relation to
Joseph, who is of 12 brothers, the significance of the number is
irrelevant, since Jesus was outside of the 12, whereas Joseph was one
of the 12. So this number applies to Jacob, who had 12 sons.
In fact, Joseph notes the number 11
as being significant to himself:
[ Gen 37:9] And he dreamed yet another dream, and
told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more;
and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Either its 11, or 13, if we
add the sun and the moon. 12 is not
significant to Joseph personally, but more to the family and
Israel (Jacob) as a whole nation.
Sold For Silver
They were both sold for silver, Joseph by Judah and Jesus by Judas. The essential difference here is that Judah
sold Joseph into bondage to prevent his death:
[ Gen 37:26] And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit [is it] if we slay our brother,
and conceal his blood?
Come, and let us sell him to the
Ishmeelites, and let not our
hand be upon him; for he [is]
our brother [and] our flesh. And his brethren were content.
Whereas Judas sold Jesus with malicious intent.
[ Mat 26:14] Then one of the twelve, called Judas
Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,
And said [unto them], What will ye
give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted
with him for thirty pieces of silver.
And from that time he sought
opportunity to betray him.
Being 'sold' is much different
than being 'sold-out' since
Jesus was not taken as property, and he already had a price on his head
when Judas betrayed him. These are
different events.
Silver is also, and has always been, a common currency, except in the
time of Solomon. There is really nothing here that draws enough of a
comparison to claim that this is the same story repeated, or even that
through some sort of 'broken telephone' phenomenon. Especially
considering that the Torah in
the Dead Sea Scrolls has been dated to
pre-Christ, in which the story of Joseph appears identically as it is
written in the 1611 King James Bible.
30 Years Old
Joseph was thirty when he began to rule over Egypt, as was Jesus when
he began his ministry. This is the
only solid similarity between the two, not enough to claim they
are the same person or the same story repeated.
Additionally, I would like to point out that there are actually more
similarities between Jesus and Moses. Both
escaped a slaughter of all the firstborn in the land [Exodus 1:15-16]/[Matthew 2:16], both
fasted with God for 40 days [Exodus 34:28]/[Luke 4:2] and both
were lawmakers [Deuteronomy 33:4]/[Romans 8:2].
Jesus also has a lot in common with
David, but none of the stories in the Bible are as detailed and
individual as the story of Jesus. The uniqueness of Christ's life
outweigh the similarities because only
he could do what he did, i.e. sinless life, perfect sacrifice,
virgin birth, literal Son of God, walked on water, et cetera.
The grouping together of these events, insinuating or claiming they are
identical, is a lazy attempt at
critical analysis. These historical events are as provable, such
as the gigantic
grain stores discovered in Egypt, proving the preparedness for a
seven year famine and the discoveries
of Ron Wyatt which are greatly hated.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Despite the best wishes of sincere believers and the erroneous claims
of truculent apologists, the Testimonium Flavianum has been
demonstrated continually over the centuries to be a forgery, likely
interpolated by Catholic Church historian Eusebius in the fourth
century.
Page 90; The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled
by Acharya S aka D.M. Murdock
Sourced To:
Various opinions.
Validity:
Here is the quote:
Josephus, at least, has not
hesitated to testify this in his writings, where he says, "These things
happened to the Jews to avenge James the Just, who was a brother of
Jesus, that is called the Christ. For the Jews slew him, although he
was a most just man."
Chapter 23 of Book II; Eusebius of Caesarea's Ecclesiastical History
There are two different versions of
this quote,
a greek and an arabic. For a full account of this please read this article.
But, regardless of the opinions concerning this quote, there is no
actual proof that it was forged, since there is no know copy of this
particular work that does not include the quote. Murdock's argument is similar to the Islamic claim that
the Torah has been completely corrupted, without being able to provide any proof,
say, a copy of the Torah that is both old and written differently.
What it comes down to is: it is impossible to prove that Josephus did
not write this account. The reason being that the only reason his
statement is disputed is because those who recorded it as a significant
fact, were all Christians, and therefore it is a lie.
There is also something
else odd about Josephus' historical account. Dio notes:
This Agrippa, known also as Herodes II., was an intimate friend of the Jewish
historian Josephus and a companion of Titus at the siege of
Jerusalem. It was before him that the
Apostle Paul made his defence in a.d. 60.
Page 291 [301]; Dio's Roman History
Volume VIII
Yet, there is not a single mention of
Paul in all of Josephus' works. How could a man, intimate friend
of Agrippa, not have written about the imprisonment and execution of
Paul?
It is clear that there is a great deal about the texts of the first
century that remains a mystery. It was a time of many upheavals and
historical rabidity, where an entire religion was born. Perhaps Josephus wrote on Paul and more on Jesus
the Christ, but these works have
been lost. Or perhaps Josephus, being born after the crucifixion
of Christ, never understood the roots
of the Christian movements and thus did not relay them in his
writings save once.
What's clear is that the doubting Thomas' of the Testimonium Flavianum only
account have offered nothing in the way of proof that both the greek
and arabic accounts of his statement on Christ, which inform us of a
man named Jesus who was a teacher and then crucified under the title
'Christ' or 'messiah,' have been falsified.
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Zeitgeist Says:
Attis of Phrygia… “crucified,” placed in a tomb and after three days,
was resurrected.
Page 92; Zeitgeist Movie Companion
Zeitgeist Source:
The youthful Attis after
his murder was miraculously brought to life again three days after his
demise. The celebration of this cycle of death and renewal was one of
the major festivals of the metroac cult. Attis therefore represented a
promise of reborn life and as such it is not surprising that we find
representations of the so-called mourning Attis as a common tomb motif
in the ancient world.
The parallel, albeit at a superficial level, between this myth and the
account of the resurrection of Christ is clear. Moreover Attis as a
shepherd occupies a favourite Christian image of Christ as the good
shepherd. Further parallels also seem to have existed: the pine tree of
Attis, for example, was seen as a parallel to the cross of Christ.
Page 39-40; Lane, Eugene N. Cybele, Attis and Related Cults.
Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1996.
Sourced To:
The Torre de los Escipiones
near Tarragona in Catalonia (picture right) and the Crypt of Lucina, the Catacomb of
St. Callixtus.
Validity:
Both of these monuments, which supposedly prove Attis was dead three
days and resurrected and that he was called 'the Good Shepherd' are
dating after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Its even in Fear's notes:
See the depiction of Christ
as the Good Shepherd On a fresco in the Crypt of Lucina, the Catacomb
of St. Callixtus dating to the early third century AD. and on the
mosaics from the early fourth century mausoleum at Centcelles.
Page 39; Lane, Eugene N. Cybele, Attis and Related Cults.
Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1996.
Actual Story:
The story of the
self-mutilation of Attis is clearly an attempt to account for the
self-mutilation of his priests, who regularly castrated themselves on
entering the service of the goddess. The story of his death by the boar
may have been told to explain why his worshippers, especially the
people of Pessinus, abstained from eating swine. In like manner the
worshippers of Adonis abstained from pork, because a boar had killed
their god. After his death Attis is said to have been changed into a
pine-tree.
347-348 [365-366] The Golden Bough; a
Study in Magic and Religion (1922) Sir James George Fraser
Having become enamoured of
Attis, Agdistis struck him with frenzy as he was about to be married,
with the result that Attis castrated himself and died.
Attis was fundamentally a
vegetation god, and in his self-mutilation, death, and resurrection he
represents the fruits of the earth, which die in winter only to rise
again in the spring.
The original character of
Attis as a tree-spirit is brought out plainly by the part which the
pine-tree plays in his legend, his ritual, and his monuments. The story
that he was a human being transformed into a pine-tree is only one of
those transparent attempts at rationalizing old beliefs which meet us
so frequently in mythology.
352 [370] The Golden Bough; a
Study in Magic and Religion (1922) Sir James
George Fraser
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Zeitgeist Says:
Attis of Phrygia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th...
Zeitgeist Source:
Beyond Attis himself,
Cybele too offered a challenge to Christian divine nomenclature. Cybele
was regarded as a virgin goddess and as such could be seen as a rival
to the Virgin Mary... Cybele as the mother of the Gods, mater Deum,
here again presented a starkly pagan parallel to the Christian Mother
of God.
There was rivalry too in ritual. The climax of the celebration of
Attis‘ resurrection, the Hilaria, fell on the 25th of March, the date
that the early church had settled on as the day of Christ‘s death....
Page 39-40; Lane, Eugene N. Cybele, Attis and Related Cults. Leiden: E.J.
Brill, 1996.
Attis is the son of Cybele in her
form as the virgin, Nana, who is impregnated by the divine force
in the form of a pomegranate.
Page 25 [42]; Leeming, David Adams. Mythology: The
Voyage of the Hero. New York/Oxford University Press, 1998.
The birth myth…is made up of several events... The most important
component—one common to almost all of the stories—is the virgin birth,
in which I include any kind of magic or divine conception whether by
way of feather or pomegranate seed or white elephant.
Page 39 [56]; Leeming, David Adams. Mythology: The
Voyage of the Hero. New York/Oxford University Press,
1998.
Sourced To:
Lane sources two things, the Hymn to the Mother of the Gods by Julian
and St. Augustine's Civitas Dei. Both were written in the 4th century
AD, well after Jesus Christ was crucified.
Leeming talks of the virgin birth of Quetzalcoatl, but (second
quote) mentions that this myth didn't come about until, at the
earliest, 1150 AD:
the great high priest and
monarch of the Golden Age in the
Toltec city of Tula, the City of the Sun, in ancient Mexico,
whose name, Quetzalcoatl, has
been read to mean both "the Feathered Serpent" and "the Admirable
Twin," and who was fair of face and white of beard, was the teacher of
the arts to the people of pre-Columbian America, originator of the
calendar, and their giver of maize. His
virgin mother, Chimalman— the legend tells—had been one of three
sisters to whom God, the All-Father, had appeared one day under his
form of Citlallatonac, "the morning."
Page 18 [35]; Leeming, David Adams. Mythology: The
Voyage of the Hero. New York/Oxford University Press,
1998.
Toltec/Mixtec
(908-1168/C.1150-1350A.D.)
Mixcoatl, a barbarian from the north, founds the Toltec empire, his son
being the fabulous Quetzalcoatl, whose age was the Golden Age of Tula, when '"the
cotton grew naturally in all colors." Tula was destroyed 1168 A.D.; the
empire dissolved, and the lead passed for two centuries to the Mixtecs
of coastal Oaxaca.
Page 214; The Masks of God:
Primitive Mythology by Joseph Campbell
Leeming claims that Nana is Cylebe in the form of a virgin, but in the
actual retelling of the story he states:
From these at once arose a
fruit-bearing tree: an almond-tree
or-according to another tale—a pomegranate- tree. Nana, the daughter of the king or river-god Sangarios
( Nana is another name for the great goddess of Asia Minor), saw
the beauty of the fruit, plucked it and hid it in her lap. The fruit
vanished, and Nana conceived a child of it. Her father imprisoned her,
as a woman deflowered, and condemned her to death by starvation. The
Great Mother fed her on fruits and on the foods of the gods.
Page 24 [41]; Leeming, David Adams. Mythology: The
Voyage of the Hero. New York/Oxford University Press,
1998.
The most important
component—one common to almost all of the stories—is the virgin birth, in which I include any
kind of magic or divine conception whether by way of feather or
pomegranate seed or white elephant. Sir James Frazer suggests that the virgin birth originated in primitive man's
failure to connect sexual intercourse with pregnancy. For our
early ancestors, he says, all birth was miraculous. Frazer's
explanation, though perhaps historically questionable, makes a certain amount of psychological
sense. Today we understand the scientific process of
reproduction, but to the psyche, conception and birth, like the coming
of spring, are miraculous events.
Page 39 [56]; Leeming, David Adams. Mythology: The
Voyage of the Hero. New York/Oxford University Press,
1998.
Frazer's account:
Attis was said to have been
a fair young shepherd or herdsman beloved by Cybele, the Mother of the
Gods, a great Asiatic goddess of fertility, who had her chief home in
Phrygia. Some held that Attis was her son. His birth, like that of many
other heroes, is said to have been miraculous. His mother, Nana, was a
virgin, who conceived by putting a ripe almond or a pomegranate in her
bosom. Indeed in the Phrygian
cosmogony an almond figured as the father of all things, perhaps
because its delicate lilac blossom is one of the first heralds of the
spring, appearing on the bare boughs before the leaves have opened.
Page 347 [365]; The Golden Bough; a
Study in Magic and Religion (1922) Sir James George Fraser
Validity:
The story of the virgin birth has some real differences to that of
Jesus Christ. If we look at the jumbled tale which Zeitgeist's sources
retell, this much is clear:
1. Nana was Cylebe, literally, as a
virgin.
2. Nana was born of a river god.
3. The almond/pomegranet is a symbol of the seed and father of all things.
4. The conception of Attis could very well been a misconception of how one becomes pregnant.
Nana may have had sex after the almond incident for all we know.
5. Nana was imprisoned for being pregnant.
The main contrast here is that Nana herself was a god who had changed forms into a virgin; meaning
Cylebe was not a virgin
herself, and thus the miraculous
conception was not so miraculous, for, if a god can change forms
how hard is it to be impregnated by 'the father of all things'?
Additionally, there was never a
sexual insinuation concerning Mary, nor any mention of seed, which is an almost universal
symbol of sexual union, much like the ankh
in Egyptian mythology.
The similarities here are limited to the use of the word 'virgin'
nothing more.
The December 25th birth date is, again, irrelevant.
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Extra Biblical Sources
Ultimately, the request for extra Biblical sources to prove the
existence of Jesus Christ is a bit desperate,
since the Bible itself
has been dated in a recent discovery of the Gospel of Mark to the 1st
Century. But I will indulge you.
Finding Jesus in the
Mess of History
The Babylonian Talmud, dated at 188-217 AD (although that is the
compilation date, written earlier at
an unknown time), is not the first
written reference to Jesus Christ, but it does give us a great
explanation as
to why so few outside of Christianity
ever wrote about him. It is important to note that the Babylonian
Talmud is a compilation of Jewish (Kabbalistic
or anti-Torah) Oral traditions,
thus, although written in the 2nd century, they were likely memorized from person to person
years before that. Here is an important section:
THE WHOLE DAY [OF THE
TRIAL] THE WITNESSES ARE EXAMINED BY
MEANS OF A
SUBSTITUTE FOR THE DIVINE NAME, THUS, ‘ MAY JOSE SMITE JOSE.’ WHEN THE
TRIAL WAS FINISHED, THE ACCUSED WAS
NOT EXECUTED ON THIS EVIDENCE, BUT
ALL PERSONS WERE REMOVED [FROM COURT], AND THE CHIEF WITNESS WAS TOLD,
‘STATE LITERALLY WHAT YOU HEARD. THEREUPON HE DID SO, [ USING THE DIVINE
NAME]. THE JUDGES THEN AROSE AND RENT THEIR GARMENTS, WHICH RENT
WAS
NOT TO BE RESEWN. THE SECOND WITNESS STATED; I TOO HAVE HEARD THUS’
[ BUT NOT UTTERING THE DIVINE NAME],
AND THE THIRD SAYS: ‘ I TOO HEARD
THUS’.
Pages 6720-6721; Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 56a of the Babylonian Talmud
This is a direct reference to the trial of Jesus Christ, 'using the
divine name' which is Jesus Christ:
Strong's G2424 - Iēsous
Jesus = "Jehovah is salvation"
1) Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind, God incarnate
Thus the Talmud, referencing his trial,
admits that they would not call
him by his name, calling him Jose
instead. They also assert that,
essentially, he was testifying
against himself as were three others. This statement also gives
us a great understanding
of why people outside of Christianity did not use his name: because they did not consider him
their 'Saviour'. The name Jesus literally
meaning, in the simplest sense, 'Saviour.'
If you want a direct reference to Jesus in the Talmud there are two:
I was once walking in the
upper-market of Sepphoris when I came across
one [of the disciples of Jesus the
Nazarene] Jacob of Kefar-Sekaniah by
name, who said to me: It is written in your Torah, Thou shalt not bring
the hire of a harlot . . . into the house of the Lord thy God. May such
money be applied to the erection of a retiring place for the High
Priest? To which I made no reply. Said he to me: Thus was I taught [ by
Jesus the Nazarene], For of the hire of a harlot hath she
gathered them
and unto the hire of a harlot shall they return.’
Page 7035; Talmud - Mas. Avodah Zarah 17a of the Babylonian Talmud
AND A HERALD PRECEDES HIM
etc. This implies, only immediately before
[the execution], but not previous thereto. [ In contradiction to this]
it was taught: On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty
days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried,
‘He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and
enticed Israel to apostacy.
Page 6658; Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 43a of the Babylonian Talmud
The second reference clearly shows that a cabal against Christ, in
order to misty the event on the cross, was already in full swing. They
'taught' that Jesus was hanged, obviously pointed to the
fact that he
was not. There are also many allusions
to Jesus Christ, but I will not
bore you with them here.
Jerusalem Burned
Now, there is another factor to consider. In 70 AD Jerusalem was sacked and destroyed, utterly. The
slaughter was merciless and the entire city was burned.
That would account for many personal
journals and written accounts of Christ
being lost. What also need be considered is that the common man
of the
era would not have the capability to write as freely as we do today,
nor would materials written on typically last 2000 years in normal
living conditions. This is why a large amount of the references
we do
have to Jesus are those of rulers and
famous writers, not the farmer or
blacksmith.
Christian Holocaust
One of the most ignored factors in all of this are the genocides of
Christian. By far Christians became the most persecuted and still are the most persecuted group
on earth with piles of bodies behind the
catholic church, who killed 50 million
brothers and sisters, the middle
ages proves a black hole for much of the written history which would
have been destroyed, including Roman secular writings.
There is a great list of sources here, for those that you
may have already seen online. I have dug up a few more for your reading
pleasure (or dismay):
138 AD
Antoninus is admitted by
all to have been noble and good, neither oppressive to the Christians
nor severe to any of his other subjects ; instead, he showed the Christians great
respect and added to the honour in which Hadrian had
been wont to hold them. For Eusebius Pamphili cites in his
Ecclesiastical History a letter of Hadrian in which the emperor is seen
to threaten terrible vengeance upon those who harm in any way or accuse
the Christians and swears in
the name of Hercules that punishment shall
be meted out to them.
Page 471 [481]; Dio's Roman History Volume VIII
Approx 170 AD
And our Lord Jesus Christ
was bound as a ram, and was shorn as a lamb, and was led like a sheep
to the slaughter, and was crucified
Page 256 [276]; Melito, Bishop Of Sardis in The Writings of the
Early Christians translated by Dr. Giles
174 AD
Now the incident I have
reference to is this ; Marcus had a division of soldiers (the Romans
call a division a legion) from Melitene ; and these people are all worshippers of Christ.
Now it is stated that in this battle, when
Marcus found himself at a loss what to do in the circumstances and
feared for his whole army, the prefect approached him and told him that
those who are called Christians can
accomplish anything whatever by
their prayers and that in the army there chanced to be a whole
division
of this sect.
Page 31 [41]; Dio's Roman History
Volume IX
178 AD
But the time passing
between was neither vain nor fruitless, for the infinite mercy of Christ Jesus our Saviour
shone in the world through their patience.
Page 232 [252]; Chruches of Lyons and Vienna Letter
in The Writings of the
Early Christians translated by Dr. Giles
Approx. 180 AD
Some then of the seven
heresies that were among the people, which have been described before
in my memoirs, asked him, which was the gate of Jesus ; and he said
that this was the Saviour.
Page 217 [237]; Hegesippus Book V in The Writings of the
Early Christians translated by Dr. Giles
Approx 190 AD
But those who have seen my
small man, have consented to the letter, knowing that I have not borne
my grey hairs in vain, but have ever conversed in the Lord Jesus.
Page 244 [264]; Polycrates, Bishop Of Ephesus'
Synodical Letter in The Writings of the
Early Christians translated by Dr. Giles
Approx. 230 AD
Surely you will not have
the Confidence to say that your JESUS,
being unable to work
upon the Minds of Men, in the wretched World, in which we live
went down to Hell it self, to see if he couldn't make Converts there.
Page 109 [343]; Origen Against Celsus
translated by James Bellamy
270-275 AD
Since I propose to write of
all these things I shall commence my work with the beginning of the
dispensation of our Saviour
and Lord Jesus Christ.
Chapter 1; Eusebius of Caesarea's Ecclesiastical History
Approx. 300 AD
It is confounding to me that all of the non-Christian historical
accounts of Jesus Christ have been disputed using the logic 'they were
forge by Christians' and all of the Christian accounts of Jesus
Christ
have been disputed with the logic, 'all
Christians are liars blinded by faith.'
With such a clear and desperate attempt at disproving historical
accounts of Jesus Christ, there has
never been one shred of proof that
any documents were actually forgeries, merely opinions on what 'should
have been' in reference to historical accounts. It was a crazy
time,
and many wars would follow it including the complete destruction of the
old Roman empire reformed into a new Vatican empire.
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